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So, I guess I'm pretty much set that I've decided to go to Chicago for their Creation con instead of Burbank. Sure, Burbank has the better chance of seeing both Jensen and Jared and Kripke, but it also appears that Creation thinks two months is too early to announce any guests other than Jared for the con, and I can't take the chance of missing out on Chicago (where I know what guests will be there) to wait for some news to *finally* come out about Burbank.

Plus, I guess I should just stick to my original plan--I've already taken the time off work for the November con, and this way I won't have to change anything. Plus this way I won't miss Anthony's second birthday. :)

Tickets are supposed to go on sale early this week, so by my guess that would be today or tomorrow. From what I heard, they were waiting for a last minute "name" guest to sign or not, and rumor is it's Jensen. I don't know how true that is--I'd think they'd book James Marsters, since they can get more bang for their buck out of him as he's been on three of the 4 shows this con is supposed to be hitting. But I dunno if I want that--I'm not a fan of his (I skipped out on Angel & Smallville because the end of Spike left such a bad taste in my mouth) and I've heard his fans are pretty hardcore and I'd like this to still be the Supernatural con, not the "Spike and some other dudes" con.

So we'll see. But man, I hate to think how much tickets will be! *shudder* Guess I can say goodbye to having two out of my three credit cards paid off. If they're around $300 I can do that because that's what I've been budgeting for, but more than that and I will cry.


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Lots of fingers are crossed, Shannen! But speaking as a con organizer, if they're still promoting the Chicago event as a Supernatural/Buffy/Angel/Smallville event, they HAVE to be wooing somebody(s) from Smallville and the Jossverse. Otherwise it's a Supernatural con with Nick Brendan hanging around for an undefined reason. With Jared, Samantha and Fredric, they've got all their SPN bases covered already.

Either way, they're driving a lot of people to distraction. It's "too early" to think about Burbank?? It's in NINE WEEKS, and all they have is Jared, who has a history of cancelling. Helluva way to run a business.

If they do get James Marsters, consider yourself lucky, in spite of your distaste for Spike's demise on Buffy. Marsters is an excellent, entertaining, and very thoughtful speaker, and very, very warm, charming and friendly to speak with. It's no wonder he has such an army of devoted fans.

Otherwise it's a Supernatural con with Nick Brendan hanging around for an undefined reason

And Steve Carlson. Like I said over on TWoP, I know it's not a popular opinion, but if booking Steve took money away that could have been used to woo a Kripke or Jensen, I'll be irritated.

To be honest, I think they only ever initially billed it as a Buffy/SV/Angel event because they had no idea if SPN fans would even show up. At least if they booked other shows, they knew they could get people to show up. But once they saw the response at Comic Con, I think they realized SPN fans will show up and the other things kinda went by the wayside.

But speaking as a con organizer, if they're still promoting the Chicago event as a Supernatural/Buffy/Angel/Smallville event, they HAVE to be wooing somebody(s) from Smallville and the Jossverse

Well, Jensen would also fit the Smallville bill, since he was a big part of season 4. And with SV also currently in production, and two of the three leads unwilling to do conventions, they have to get either previous cast members or semi recurring ones like Justin Hartley.

As for the Joss-verse, they do have Nick Brendan for that. I don't know that I see the need for an Angel guest, myself.

But who are we kidding? Even though he's just booked a new gig on a show, it'll be Marsters. He goes to the opening of letters, no way he's gonna miss a con where he can be the biggest guest, especially if Jared cancels. If that happens, then yeah--we have a Buffy con with two former SPN guest stars, so yeah...I think all the SPN fans would be pissed.

You're right about Steve - I know he has his little core group of fans, and the crowd in general would probably enjoy his music, but it's money that could be better spent on a bigger name guest.

And I think you're also right about the multi-fandom aspect of the event springing from their uncertainty about how big a crowd SPN would draw - but they could have changed the banner in the meanwhile, which they haven't. So I'd hold them to "truth in advertising" and expect them to have a decent guest from Smallville. (Jensen may have been a visible presence in season 4, but nobody's going to pepper him with questions about Smallville.)

As far as Smallville guests, Allison Mack and Aaron Ashmore both do cons, yes? And Rosenbaum (like Marsters) would have people coming out of the woodwork.

You break my heart by referring to Sam Ferris as a "former guest star." *sniffles*

Either way, their handling of both events is pretty peculiar and "off-putting," as the Brits say. Their saying it's "too early" to flesh out Burbank's lineup makes me bleed out the ears. Once you pass a certain point, plane fares go up. I want to book mine, but *not* if all they're willing to specify is Jared. Am I supposed to travel 3000 miles on the off chance somebody else might show up as a surprise? I'm still wanting 5-6 guests (and not Steve Carlson).

And, um, not people like Nick Brendan's twin brother. He was a guest at a con I attended last year, and had quite the cluster of "devoted fans." (Anybody who thinks that had nothing to do with his being Nick's IDENTICAL TWIN, raise your hand.) Not really wantin' to go 3000 miles to see guests who were in one episode.

Either way, their handling of both events is pretty peculiar and "off-putting," as the Brits say. Their saying it's "too early" to flesh out Burbank's lineup makes me bleed out the ears. Once you pass a certain point, plane fares go up. I want to book mine, but *not* if all they're willing to specify is Jared. Am I supposed to travel 3000 miles on the off chance somebody else might show up as a surprise? I'm still wanting 5-6 guests (and not Steve Carlson).


This is exactly how I feel too!! It's very frustrating and makes me want to not go to either of them just on principle.

I'd feel the same way if I didn't think I needed a picture with Jared to go with my picture with Jensen! LOL!

But yeah, I do agree that they're being completely insane about Burbank. I said from the beginning it would have been much smarter to have the con in the spring--snag the guys *right* as production was wrapping and in the little break of a weekend before they start work on any hiatus projects.

James Marsters does not "go to the opening of an envelope", he has zero interest in anything considered the "Hollywood scene" and is never out and about. He attends conventions, especially when he is not on tv every week and he knows his fans want to see him.

He is, however, thankful to his fans and will do whatever it takes to make them happy and have fun. I have never been to a convention, but his reputation precedes him.

I love J2, but they SHOULD pay attention to how James Marsters treats his fans.

Well, for a while there, he was at *every* convention, so much so that even my con going friends were like, "Gah, him again? We need someone new!"

*shrug* He's just not someone who ever really appealed to me, so if he turned out to be the main guest of the con, I wouldn't really be that jazzed to go.

Again, different tastes for different folks. I'm spending the money to see Supernatural stuff. I like Buffy, but that fandom was years ago for me.

And it is absolutely fine that that fandom was years ago for you, but because of very hard work on his part, James Marsters still has a huge fan following. Let's face it, the Buffy fandom was 50/50 love/hate of the character of Spike. If it weren't for the way James Marsters treats his fans, he wouldn't have such a huge following this many years later. It has been years since he has had anything that could be considered a starring/co-starring role in a weekly series, but he works his ass off on the con circuit and does about 5 a year.

If Jensen's "people" would get the stick out of their collective asses about conventions, he could absolutely create this kind of following. And Jared, with that personality alone, if he would get consistent and always show up no matter what, (missing a plane is a lame excuse, let's face it, when people have paid hundreds, more like thousands, of dollars to see you.) could easily be James Marsters reincarnation in terms of the number of fans he, alone, could draw to a convention. And he has let the fans down TWICE.

Let's face it, the Supernatural Boys need to prove themselves, James Marsters already has.

But sorry if I offended you--I know you like him. I will totally acknowledge that the entire sum of my opinion of him is completely based on the fact that I freakin' hate Spike. Or I should say, I hate Spike past season three. So the second I see him, I think, "Oh, God. Shut it Spike!" the way I did every episode after S3. Same way I instantly recoil when I have to see Milo every week on Heroes. I took a long time to tamp down the urge to shout,"Fuckin' Shut it Jess!" everytime he was onscreen.

Don't take it personally. I'm PMSing this week, which means *everything* that irritates me, from Spike to the ring tone on my office phone is subject to my wrath. I only get it every other month, but when I do I am a complete raging bitch. You're new here, so you probably didn't know that. :)

Peace?

Somebody's crabby this week besides me?? *g*

It's a tribute to JM's skill as an actor that such a charming, intelligent, friendly man could come up with the original incarnation of Spike (meaning, the non-PW'ed one). If you're wandering around looking for something to do, I imagine there are video clips of him at cons at YouTube - take a look at some and see if you don't come away feeling a little more charitable.

I've met scads of celebs over the years (of varying levels of fame) and he's one of maybe half a dozen whose warmth and humanity, and what seems to be a sincere fondness for his fellow humans, I've been genuinely impressed with.

Topic? I'd sure like to know when Creation will decide it's not "too early" to make announcements about Burbank. End of the month? September? The week before the con? Jeeeeeez.

Thank you for acknowledging this about James Marsters because it is 100% true. He has the fan following he had by going way above and beyond to make his fans happy. How many other actors have you heard of who put all the con tickets in a bowl and draw out 10 and take those 10 fans from your Q&A out for a 2 hour dinner on him? That is what James Marsters is about, he knows where his bread is buttered, and has earned his huge following by never taking his fans for granted and always going way above and beyond what fans expect.

He also hosted his own fan "thank you" weekend on the Queen Mary in San Diego and he and his team got guests, including David Boreanaz to come in for a surprise. He watched episodes with the fans and commented directly on them. He hosted a black tie dinner where he rotated sitting at all the tables. He has earned every fan with hard work, always giving every fan what they need from him in the 10 seconds they spend with him in a photo op or autograph signing. I have never been to a convention, but I have read all of the stories about James and what lengths he will go to for his fans.

I love Supernatural and J2, but they don't seem to be aware of the fact that they need to attend the cons they have committed to (Jared) and need to sign up for the cons in time for people to save money and take the time off of work (Jensen). It is not the con organizers fault that Jensen or his people won't commit.

I'll second what you've said about James. He was a guest at Moonlight Rising in 2003, which I attended - at that point I knew him only as "Spike," and had no clue what his real personality might be like. I found him to be impressively intelligent, and a wonderful speaker who really *thought* about the questions before he answered them. He provided a lot of insight into the acting business, both from his own experience and in general.

When it was my turn at the autograph table, I had in mind "hurry along, lots of people are waiting." But James made immediate and very warm eye contact with me and did his level best to open a conversation in spite of my seriously being a deer-in-the-headlights. If he does a lot of cons, I have no problem with that; they're a good way to make money in between acting jobs, and they're certainly a way for him to "give back" to his fans. He seemed to me to be someone who genuinely enjoys meeting people and getting to know them, whether it's just for a moment or an ongoing process.

I love Supernatural and J2, but they don't seem to be aware of the fact that they need to attend the cons they have committed to (Jared) and need to sign up for the cons in time for people to save money and take the time off of work (Jensen). It is not the con organizers fault that Jensen or his people won't commit

Well, now, wait a second here. As much as I am irked that you can't count on Jared 100% to appear at a con, that's the case with *any* guest who is working. There's a reason they all have contracts that say subject to work commitments. And aside from Comic Con (which really, those tickets aren't sold on the basis of whether or not Jared appeared--trust me, they would have sold just as many tickets if SPN was not there at all because Comic Con sells out every year) every time Jared has had to cancel, it's been because of work. Unfortunately for the people in Chicago last time, filming ran over and Jared had to stay behind to complete work that he was contracted to do. That said, he personally signed a shitload of headshots and FedExed them to the con so people could still get the autographs at least. As for Asylum, what was the guy supposed to do? Turn down roles in a film so he can go to a Con? Yeah, the Kinkaid movie is probably a load of cheesy crap, but he wanted to do it, and if he told them, "Oh, BTW I need a week off to go to the UK for a personal thing"(because that trip was not a WB sanctioned promotional tour) then someone else would have got the role. Jared's not Tom Cruise level superstar...film prductions will not work around his personal schedule.

As for Jensen, he's the opposite--he apparently doesn't sign on for appearances unless he knows for sure he can make them, as evidenced by the fact that once he's scheduled for something, he tends to show up. His management team told him when Jared pulled out of Asylum that they wanted him to pull out too--they did not want him to attend. And Jensen told them flat out that he wanted to go and see what it was like, people had spent lots of money to come see him, and he didn't have any reason *not* to go. And that's not some fan spun story--I heard that directly from Asylum organizers at the con.

So it is *not* a case of the guys purposely fucking over their fans intentionally.

Regarding Asylum, Jared made a commitment to the fans who bought tickets, plane, hotel, convention, and meals, to show up. It was a weekend, was it not? He could have easily negotiated that weekend off to go to England and not disappoint the fans. Even if it was the middle of the week, the people who make movies are used to having to maneuver a little around actor's schedules. I highly doubt his role in the movie was contingent upon him dropping the Asylum convention. Sure, he would have been dead tired, but so were the people from the U.S. who flew to England and did not see Jared, and I am sure there were Sammygirls who were there just for Jared.

As for Comicon, yes, it sells out because there are a zillion shows, fandoms, etc. represented there. It is a zoo from what I can tell from the pics and videos. The reason given for Jared not showing up was he overslept and missed his plane. When you oversleep and are late for work is your boss thrilled with you? No. Your boss pays you to be on-time. These were fans that PAID to see Jared, and he was getting paid for it, to top it off. Set three alarms if you have to, I don't care, but get there. There was no other reason given for Jared missing other than worked late and overslept. He was not still filming.

As for Jensen, yes, I know his management is the real problem. They don't want the stink of conventions to get on him apparently, because clearly it has hurt the Star Trek franchise and all those associated with it. If I were Jensen, I would take a step back and realize that, hey, I am on a tv show that does not have the greatest ratings, which is on the CW, but has a cult following. Basically, I am on the current Buffy/Angel/Firefly, etc. There is no reason for him to expect that his career is going to become A-List, and if it does, fantastic, he can quit going to cons then if he chooses, but it is not going to hurt his reputation then if he goes to them now. Look at David Boreanaz, he does not do cons anymore, and his fans have not left him.

I hope J2s career's take off and they are the next George Clooney and Brad Pitt, but they aren't yet, and they need to build up a reputation for standing by their commitments (again, Jared) and making their fans happy by attending cons and giving the fans enough warning so they can take advantage of cheap airfare, save money, take off work, etc. (Jensen). Both of these cons coming up are during the filming of Supernatural, if Jared can commit as early as he did, so can Jensen, they are both committed to Supernatural, and only Supernatural that time of year, unless I am mistaken as to how the show films.

That is all I am trying to say, in my oh so wordy way.

Yay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So happy, oh so happy!

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